[correction- I had written that this was a translation; in fact the original was in English. I may have edited a couple typos thinking it was translator's error, but you can click on the link for the original discussion, which gets even more interesting and actually turns out to be something of a sincere dialog between sides!]
The following is from the Habla Honduras blog
Alberto, a Golpista, wrote:
alberto comentó August 1, 2009
What you fail to mention in this article is:
1.the “non binding survey” was to become binding via a decree that was published 2 days before the survey in the official journal “La Gaceta”.
2.President Zelaya lead a mob and forcefully entered the air force base located in toncontin to recover the urns and ballots (that came from Venezuela) to be used in the survey.
3. The Honduran constitution can be reformed almost in its entirety without the need of a referendum or constituent assembly, the only articles that cant be reformed are those that refer to presidential term and re election
4.The supreme court had ruled the survey as illegal since it wasn't done by the TSE [supreme electoral tribunal here in Honduras] nonetheless president zelaya still proceeded to conduct said survey, going against one of the powers of the state (clear violation of the honduran constitution)
5.no political activists have been killed (yet, and hopefully it will remain that way), there have been 2 deaths so far (which is regrettable)
6.Funny thing about this coup (and excuse my dark humor) is that it is not the military who is in charge (as this article wants everyone to believe). The 3 state powers (Executive, legislative, and judicial) are in effect. in other words THIS IS NOT A MILITARY REGIME.
7.Pro zelaya manifestations have taken place around the country, leaving a wake of destruction (several fast food restaurants were pillaged) and graffiti(they have desecrated a church 5 times with graffiti now), their favorite protest method is blocking roads(mainly the ones that exit the city)
8.Unemployment rose as the raise in the minimum wage was overly high, and many small business owners (myself included) couldn't afford to pay such a high wage (i had 4 employees and had to let go 2)
Marabunta, a protester answered:
Marabunta Martinez comentó August 2, 2009 |
What the criminal Alberto here fails to mention is that he is one of those foul mouths who keep thrashing around lies and deceit to defend the mountains of crimes that the fascist regime keeps committing hour after hour. He is either paid, or he is either another one of those poor idiots who read only La Prensa and watch Canal 5.
Our mumbling idiot here fails to mention that:
1. The nonbinding survey still needed to be approved by Congress, in order for it to become a law, just in the same way entrance to ALBA was approved by Goriletti. No approval by Congress would have killed it. Obviously, Congress was already under a lot of pressure, and killing the Cuarta Urna project would have possibly meant the beginning of its death, but such is the massive moral and social debt they owe to the people of this nation. As it is, Congress stands illegal, illegitimate, and hated by the nation. It is already disappearing, since an assembly held in place only by force of arms is a very weak gathering of power indeed.
2. Mercenary air force general Luis Prince, now a criminal, himself authorized entrance to the airbase and specifically told reporters that his criminal pal, the mercenary general Romeo Vasquez had authorized him THE DAY BEFORE to deliver the survey material into the hands of President Zelaya. We saw him on TV saying it, so there’s no way you or anyone can deny it.
3. The issue of whether the Honduran Constitution can be reformed or not is for idiots only. Any man or woman who decides to use their brain a tiny bit will understand that it was not eventual constitutional reforms what made the criminal politicians tremble in panic, but rather the likable possibility that they themselves would be placed out of power by a new National Assembly, thereby ending their reign of terror, deceit, and criminal appropriation of the nations precious little resources for their own. I repeat, it is not constitutional reform what they fear, but rather a new congress where they are not longer the ring wraiths.
4. The supreme court deemed it illegal because the judges there were appointed by the corrupt congress to defend their interests, and specially to see that any reform was deemed illegal, whether it was true or not. The TSE itself is also an aberration, since it’s composed only of three individuals, two of whom were illegally chosen by Congress, again, to defend their corrupt interests, since the constitution they defend so much expressly FORBIDS to appoint to the TSE individuals who hold elected offices, such as two of those criminals. So you are talking about an illegal and immoral congress electing an illegal and immoral TSE to do as they bid. No surprise that they opposed any reform.
5. As of today 10 highly recognized political activists have been assassinated under the criminal regime, and thousands of protesters have been illegally detained, tortured, maimed, beated, and raped by police and soldiers. Human Rights violations are horrendous and have been proven by many international humanitarian missions. There’s ample TV footage showing police and military shooting unarmed protesters. So you are either deaf, blind, stupid, or we are simply not talking about the same country here.
6. Funny thing is (your dark humor is excused, but lies won't be tolerated), only an idiot believes that Goriletti is really in charge, when it is obvious to all Hondurans that this is a military regime initiated and held by military arms and means, that is, by soldiers, police, bullets, assassination, and Human Rights violations. THIS IS A MILITARY REGIME, since it would have fallen a month ago, was it not for the criminal military, and you won’t change that fact by trying to lie to international opinion.
7. The criminal regime is held by military weapons and its favorite method of control is political assassination and fear and intimidation to control the protesters, at which they have failed most miserably. And you cry because protesters block roads? The people’s right to organize and protest is enshrined by article 3 of the constitution the criminal regime cries to defend, the right to oppose and resist a dictatorship imposed by arms and blood.
9. Unemployment rose thanks to the already disastrous economic downturn in the U.S., which caused a severe reduction of the money sent from the U.S. to Honduras by immigrants, and given that the remittances are one of the main sources of revenue for the Honduran economy, its fall severely affected economic conditions in Honduras. An honest economist would teach you that higher minimum wage is actually a good thing for any economy simply because it encourages higher spending by workers. There was more people on the street to buy your products or services. You let 2 employees go, so you were saving money. I know, because as a small business owner I had to let 2 employees go too, and we reorganized, closed our office, opened a smaller space, and saved good money. Anyone who owns a business, big or small, knows that reorganization and change of strategy are always happening, if you want to stay on the go in today's challenging world markets. Business was good until you bastards came up with the fantastic idea of internationally isolating this country and started assassinating the economy.
9. Your style of crap won’t work here, Alberto. Go put on a white T-shirt, and go clean Goriletti’s shit somewhere else. Here we’re beyond believing propaganda golpista!